The Alt-Right Playbook: Always a Bigger Fish
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The Alt-Right Playbook: Always a Bigger Fish

December 4, 2019

♫”All for the Best” from the musical “Godspell”♫ (Yes it’s all for the…)
♫”All for the Best” from the musical “Godspell”♫ All your wrongs will be redressed!
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♫”All for the Best” from the musical “Godspell”♫ Someone’s got to be oppressed!
♫”All for the Best” from the musical “Godspell”♫ (Yes it’s all for…the…best!)
♫”All for the Best” from the musical “Godspell”♫ Say, for the sake of argument, you’ve got this friend. You know, that one friend? You were buddies in high school, but don’t really see each other anymore except online? And you used to argue about politics for fun when you were teenagers, but as you’ve gotten older you’ve drifted further left and he’s gone sharply right? And your arguments…don’t feel so frivolous anymore. And maybe you’ve agreed that it’s better for your friendship to stop getting into it with each other. But you’ve just posted on Facebook about how
“College in America should be free and all student loans forgiven.” And your friend has left a comment he’s not supposed to leave. And you’re not supposed to respond, but you REALLY want to respond, so after a moment’s hesitation you shoot him a DM. Why do you care how we’d afford free tuition? Wars are a lot more expensive than education, but you never seem to care how we pay for those. We just go into debt and you’re fine with it. Anyway, aren’t you the party that says deficits don’t matter? Yeah, but you’re Democrats. You’re not going to run a deficit, you’re going to raise taxes, aren’t you? Taxes are generally how governments pay for things. Spoken like a proper socialist. No socialist would call that socialism. Only you, and only when we pay for things you don’t like. But when we build roads, or subsidize corn, well then you just call it government. Those are things we can’t pay for without governments! But we can pay for college ourselves. We’ve been doing it since forever. Well, I hate to tell you this, but it’s not the 1950’s anymore. Time was, you didn’t need a degree to get a good job. Now you do. And you could pay for college waiting tables, but now you can’t. Nowadays college is a necessity, and people can’t afford it. Why do liberals make excuses for people? If you want to go to college and don’t have the money, then you study and work hard and get a scholarship. You earn it instead of complaining until somebody gives it to you. Do you think people aren’t doing that? Do you think there’s millions of unclaimed scholarships just lying around waiting for someone to apply for them? There is nowhere near enough financial aid to get everyone to college who needs to go. That’s not my problem! They can crowdfund. Or get a loan. Or, whatever, go on Oprah. The government doesn’t owe you an education on my dime. It’s not gonna be your dime! You don’t make that much. No one’s talking about raising your taxes. If some billionaire you’ll never meet gets taxed to put some kid you’ll never meet through school, why should you even care? If someone robs a bank that isn’t my bank, I’m still opposed to robbery. I have a problem with taking money someone earned to give someone a degree they aren’t owed. Why is what happens to poor people “not your problem,” but what happens to rich people is? You think you’re gonna be rich someday? Oh please. You’re the one who thinks they’re gonna be rich. [Incredulous laugh] I assure you I do not. But then he says something that blows your mind a little bit, something that makes you think you’ve been going about this the wrong way, something that makes all the seeming contradictions of Republican thought maybe make some kind of sense. He says, Yes, you do. Democrats think they’re going to take the money from billionaires and spread it around. Give it to a bunch of poor people so they can go to college. And everyone gets a degree and everyone gets a good job and healthcare is free and minimum wage is eighty bucks an hour. And everyone’s saving lots of money, so what then? Everyone’s rich. Everyone works in tech. Everyone moves to New York and California. And nobody’s a billionaire, and nobody’s broke, and everyone’s great at their job because all they needed was the right opportunity, and no one’s better than anyone at anything. It’s a fantasy and we shouldn’t have to pay you to LARP it. You think you can make everyone the same, but you can’t. There’s always a bigger fish. You say, Did you just quote The Fantom Phucking Menace at me? And he says, I guess I did, lol. And that’s as good a time as any to drop it. But, the conversation sticks with you. See, when you talk to your conservative friend, you operate as though you have the same base assumptions: belief in democracy, do onto others, etc etc. If you didn’t believe your friend shared these assumptions, you’d basically be calling him a fascist or a sadist, and you conclude that, if you believe in democracy, you must believe in equality. And if you believe in equality, you must believe in equal access to education, and must conclude that governments should help pay tuition. And so you give your friend the benefit of the doubt that if he doesn’t understand this very simple logical progression, he either hasn’t had it properly explained to him, or has, at some point, been lied to. Because no one could believe in “all citizens are equal” AND “always a bigger fish” at the same time. But by this thinking, you’re treating most conservatives as people who want in their hearts to be liberals, but have so far failed. And, maybe that’s why they think liberals are condescending? What if he doesn’t have the same base assumptions as you? Or, what if he does, but has other assumptions you aren’t aware of, that lead him to different conclusions? He is, often, misinformed, but what if that isn’t the problem? What if he actually believes something else? We’ve been circling around this one for a while. We’ve talked about what liberals believe, we’ve talked about what fascists believe, we’ve talked about what nihilists believe, or rather, what they don’t believe, or, rather, why they aren’t actually nihilists. But, this is a tough one. What do conservatives believe? Oh God, I’m gonna get yelled at so much for this one. The United States, like much of the Western world, is a capitalist democracy. That’s what we’re raised in, that’s what seems normal to us. And, in our normal lives, democracy and capitalism seem to coexist easily. Voting doesn’t feel like a violation of capitalism; buying a bagel doesn’t seem like a violation of democracy. But sometimes, they come into tension with one another. And speaking REALLY broadly, when a choice between them has to be made, a liberal is someone who tends to think democratically, and a conservative is someone who tends to think like a capitalist. The operative word here is “tend.” Liberals are still capitalists and conservatives still stand for democracy, and the preference for one or the other may be very slight. Nevertheless, which way a person leans reveals their priorities. The democratic framework, or at least A democratic framework, is: one citizen, one vote. No matter who you are, you are born with certain in-, or possibly unalienable rights, and any system that doesn’t guarantee you those rights is a tyranny. Freedom, agency, and a hand on the scriptures that govern you, everyone is entitled to these things. It’s an egalitarian mindset. People gain power by electoral process, i.e., when it is granted TO them by the masses, with whom the true power resides, and whom the Constitution guarantees the right to take that power away from an electee. Rather than powerful, the elected official is, in a sense, an employee with millions of bosses, all of whom have equal authority. This is the IDEA of democracy, with the history of democracy being riddled with failures to live up to this ideal. But part of the project of liberalism has been about making the government more closely resemble its ideology. The capitalist framework, by contrast, is that of businesses and markets, where big fish eat the little ones. If two people start businesses in the same field and one makes more profit than the other, that person can make more investments, open more locations, undercut their competitors’ prices. The more money you have, the more money you can make. So advantage compounds where even small failures often mean getting muscled out of the field. Now with some creativity, a novel cost-saving practice or a new delivery method the underdog can still thrive, and this is part of what conservatives like about the market: that it demands this creativity in a live-ammo environment. But most will not beat the odds. That’s how odds work. Since there will always be more failures than successes, the general trajectory of unregulated capitalism is money pooling into fewer and fewer hands. Things naturally sort themselves into a hierarchy with sharks at the top, a million minnows at the bottom. Since we live with both of these frameworks in our minds, and most of the things we do in our daily lives can be justified by either one, we don’t often notice the contradictions between them, and it’s easy to imagine whichever one tends to be OUR default is everyone else’s default as well. But issues like poverty, taxation, and education are areas where the contradictions matter, and we are sometimes shocked by how different the world looks to our conservative friends. In conservative thinking, this hierarchy is humanity’s natural state. The American Dream is: here, anyone can make it. No matter who you are or what you start with, YOU can become a billionaire. But a necessary component of this is: anyone CAN, but EVERYONE can’t. We’re not all gonna be billionaires. There’s a finite amount of money in this country. For any one person to have so, so much more than they need there must, mathematically, be thousands of people with less. Your conservative friend is often baffled as to what you’re even trying to say when you point out there’s not enough high-paying jobs or affordable health plans for everyone. There’s not supposed to be. The system requires an underclass. Someone’s gotta clean the toilets. Capitalism, then, is a proving ground: it’s how you demonstrate where in the hierarchy you deserve to be. Do you have more than you need, or less? Anything you’ve got, you beat someone else to it. How resourceful were you? How well did you play? The field is by no means level, but any disadvantage just means you have to WORK harder. We know people who start with nothing can win big. If you’re a shark, you will make your way to the top because that’s where you belong. Anyone complaining how stacked the deck is against them is making excuses for not being better at the game. So disadvantage itself is not a problem so long as it’s, quote unquote, natural. What’s necessary is that advantage and disadvantage be imposed from without: free tuition, a high minimum wage, taxes on the wealthy, or any other kind of government meddling, these things must be opposed. Because with them, people would end up in the wrong places. Power has to be earned. If it isn’t earned, it won’t be properly wielded, and then society ends up a mess. Conservatives generally feel what’s wrong with the world today can be chalked up to people not being where they should be in the social order. They used to be where they belonged but then LIBERALS gummed everything up with their government handouts and forced representation. When, exactly, things were the way they should be is a bit of a moving target. Nowadays they act like it was the 80’s, in the 80’s it was the 50’s, and in the 50’s it was sometime before the New Deal, so following the nostalgia cycle it’s usually about thirty years ago. Conservatives are distrustful of any effort to make society more equal because, deep down they don’t believe equal societies are real. Obviously, “all citizens created equal” needs to be the government’s position, cause you can’t trust the government to know where to put people. So it has to treat everyone the same, but this is a legal fiction, like corporate personhood. It just means, the government leaves the market alone so the hierarchy can reveal itself. You’re not supposed to BELIEVE in an equal distribution of power. What are you, 7? This is just the way the world is. Look at alpha wolves. Silverbacks. Consider the lobster. You are one single individual within a system, and it is your job to rise or fall within it on the sweat of your own back. you don’t CHANGE the system. Society’s problems come from the rules being too weakly enforced. The answer’s always more discipline. Your conservative friend thinks you’re naïve for thinking the system even CAN be changed, and his is the charitable interpretation. Many conservatives assume liberals, at least, the smart liberals, KNOW that the hierarchy is eternal, that there will always be people at the top and people at the bottom. So any claim towards making things equal must be a Trojan horse for something that benefits them. Why would they assume that? Because that’s what they do. The REAL liberal agenda is to put people in the wrong places on purpose, boost liberal allies, hold back liberal opposition. You don’t want to break up the pyramid. You’re just trying to sneak someone else to the top. A lot of conservative contradictions start to make sense through this lens. Of any issue, simply ask: does this distribute power, or consolidate it? If power flows up the hierarchy they’re for it; if it flows down, they’re against it. How can conservatives say 15 an hour is too much for flipping burgers but somehow 11.5 million an hour isn’t too much to run Amazon? Because if you’re flipping burgers, you’re a minnow, and you don’t need 15 an hour to be a minnow. But sharks? They deserve all they can get, because they know what to do with it. They use it to give us Amazon. Don’t you want Amazon? We keep assuming conservatives defend the rich because they think they’ll be rich someday and, sure, they would love to be. But it’s more nuanced than that. They defend the rich because they believe the rest of us need the rich. We’d be lost without them. There should be no shame in being beneath the rich, not if the right people are rich. No shame in being a cog in the machine so long as the machine produces something beautiful. There is a real fear that everyone filling their prescribed role is the only thing keeping us from complete and total not the fun kind of anarchy. There’s honor in being in your place and doing your best with it, most especially if your place isn’t at the very bottom. The thing about hierarchies is they’re self similar on many scales. If you’re in the middle, then you serve the king. Valar dohaeris. But to everyone beneath you, you ARE the king. You’ve got a good job and a good wage, that gives you some power over people who don’t. And getting pissed at those above implies that those below have a right to be pissed at you. And there’s a real anxiety that liberals want to make room for those people in the middle by putting conservatives at the bottom. And that those people will treat conservatives the way conservatives treated them. Freedom, respect, and empathy are looked on as finite resources in a competitive market, just like jobs and scholarships. Also, most conservatives are white men, and so are most billionaires. So, but for the wealth, they actually have a lot in common, which makes it easy to empathize with billionaires and to feel empowered by seeing people like oneself do so well. And white men at the top influence policy in ways that serve people like them which materially benefits white men in the middle. The well being of the white billionaire becomes a metonym for the well being of all white men. A slight on them is a slight on all of us. White men want to believe that these billionaires earned their station, and not that their gender or race got them preferential treatment, because that would imply their own treatment may have also been biased in their favor, and maybe it’s not the liberals giving people power they don’t deserve. No matter how much a conservative believes in earning one’s place, they have always in the back of their mind an image of what society “should” look like. And any discrepancy between imagination and observation must mean foul play. This feminist is too respected. This black superhero is too popular. Can’t be because they’re worthy. Someone must have put their hand on the scales. Someone got a freebie, or played the race card, or faked a scandal. This means even though they claim the hierarchy is natural, what they will or won’t accept as legitimate is a gut feeling. If they like what they see, they take credit for it. If they don’t, it’s the left’s fault. And what does it say about them that they see a bunch of white male sharks and think, “yeah, that’s authentic.” The innate authenticity of wealth and power is the starting point. Like, ok, bear with me. You know when they open the door to Kingdom Hearts? And on the other side there’s Mickey with his shirt off and you’re like, why would Mickey with his shirt off be on the other side of that door? And the answer is, I don’t know, we’ll figure it out in like, seven games? Rich people believing “it’s good for everyone that I’m rich” is the starting assumption. That’s Mickey with his shirt off. And conservatism is the pile of games where they make up reasons why that might be true after the fact. It’s a retcon. This hierarchy is not democratic. It’s Birth by Sleep – A Fragmentary Passage. Savvy viewers may be remembering another political philosophy that is hierarchical, undemocratic, built on nostalgia, and that likes to cloak its policies in progressive camouflage, and that’s the one from two videos ago: fascism. [long sigh] Golly Now, I am not calling conservatives “fascists.” There are distinctions. Under fascism, the hierarchy is much, much less meritocratic, and the nostalgia is much, much older. However. Conservative thinking is, at the very least, one that fascism maps more cleanly onto. Fascists appeal to this hierarchical mindset by portraying all of history as struggles between ethnic groups over who gets to be where. Someone’s got to be at the bottom, white man. We’ll make sure it isn’t you. You’ll find throughout history that fascist movements, though they often pick up dissidents from all over the political spectrum – the Third Position, for instance, is fascism for anti-capitalists – when they find purchase in a political party it’s pretty much always the conservative party. Look at France, look at Brazil, look at here. Whether you want to interpret that as conservatism being uniquely susceptible to fascists, or diet fascism being another name for conservatism, I leave that up to you. Fascism, and to an extent libertarianism, are roided-up extrapolations of the hierarchical mindset, in the same way socialism and anarchy are extrapolations of the egalitarian one. We can see conservatism as a kind of compromise between fascism and democracy, and liberalism as a kind of compromise between capitalism and socialism. They are two different attempts to solve the tensions between these ways of thinking without giving either one up. You can just as easily claim that liberalism is watered-down ineffectual socialism. A lot of the left would balk at that, but not me, pinko scum that I am. The most important thing to understand is that you cannot communicate with, nor anticipate the behaviors of, a conservative if you don’t understand what they believe. Which is hard, because they’re often in denial. You will never convince them to compromise on any attempt to break up the hierarchy, because even incremental change strikes them as revolutionary, and they feel they’ve made too many concessions already. You will never get them, of their own free will, to agree to government regulation, because the government, as a democratic institution, is inherently unnatural. If you don’t like what a business is doing, you don’t regulate it. You take your money elsewhere. You should favor the capitalist solution, not the democratic one. Also, when you vote with your dollar, people with more dollars get more votes. They will never be on board with aiding the poor in any systemic way and will instead champion charity and crowdfunding because minnows getting to eat should always be framed as a gift rather than a right. You may get individual conservatives to come around on some of these, but, as a body, they will never consent to any of it unless they can work it to their advantage, or if you have leverage over them. They will sign on when denying progressivism costs them something. Because few things terrify them more than slipping down the hierarchy. And what’s insidious is that most of us have this thinking ingrained in our own minds as well, myself included. We’re all raised in the same culture. This is why they’re able to control the conversation: because they can, with some priming, get us thinking in their terms. A nice upshot is our thinking is also ingrained in their minds, though they’re a little bit better at fighting it. But as long as you’re trying to meet this mentality in the middle, you are leaving the door open for fascists. Conservatism is, and always will be, vulnerable to them. A good defense against fascism is to consciously, intentionally, think and act in democratic terms. Because newsflash: we’re not actually lobsters! Neither of these systems is natural. They are choices we can make. I recommend this one, because egalitarian thinking is one thing Nazis are bad at infiltrating. If you want to fight fascism, move left.


  • Reply Roseanne Patton November 3, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    Binge watching all your stuff and sharing it with my friends!! ❤️❤️

  • Reply Stan Kerr November 3, 2019 at 6:34 pm

    This is well produced, but still wrong. Sharks aren’t born, they’re made. ‘Equal’ is used here in multiple senses. Conservatives say it means ‘equal before the law’, leftists that it means ‘equal results’. The video also equates power and money, incorrectly. Bernie had no money but he got power, especially the power to persuade and to bully.

  • Reply Thomas November 3, 2019 at 9:49 pm

    My problem with the video is that he doesn't consider that perhaps a heirachical view of the world is in ANY WAY legitimate. If one looks at Plato's republic, he speaks of natural human proficiency, and explains it's natural occurance in society. If everyone is able to engage the field of work that they would like they want to, there will still exist a natural variety of skill. Some table makers will make tables better than other table makers. Some humans are smarter/more able/more efficient than others – and there should be some way of accounting for that. That isn't to say that structural and sociological factors are a major influence to human success because OF COURSE they are. It's just worth considering that perhaps one can believe that human variety in proficiency can exist without somehow, in some convoluted way being endorsing facism. I think the left wing idea that we're all blank slates, and that if only the system was constructed in the perfect way, we could all acheive, is distinctly ILLIBERAL. To some extent liberalism is the belief that people should have the LIBERTY to make their own choices, bad or good, and be FREE to deal with the consequences of their actions/choices as they may. Again, the way the board is set up at the begining of the game is important, but unfortunately, it isnt everything. Furthermore the assertion that any belief in natural biological heirachy is somehow connected to white supremcy is not only absurd, but incredibly reductive.

  • Reply Hugh Hamilton November 4, 2019 at 12:35 am

    The made up stupid conservative argument is still better than the socialist one.

  • Reply Ely Rogers November 4, 2019 at 2:41 am

    15:06 is that jon bon Jovi crouching there???

  • Reply Drone Pilot November 4, 2019 at 3:05 am

    39K up-votes + 10k down-votes = 49K up-votes in the algorithm

    Do your worst chuds, your fit is only making this series more popular.

  • Reply samsoneffect November 4, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    "Democrats think they're going to take money from rich people and spread it around. Give it to a bunch of poor people so they can go to college. And everyone gets a degree and everyone gets a good job…and nobody's a billionaire and nobody's broke."

    My ideal society, ngl

  • Reply Ian Bailey November 4, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    19:38… I think you should do both, really. But that's just me, personally.

  • Reply Retando November 4, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    Always happy to hear Steve Shive's voice 🙂

  • Reply Ilja Stalberg November 4, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    Dude go and watch this I tried to watch this shait of vid you made and you aint get it

    Also Left that denies any other point of view right for existing by calling em a fascist is funny as that what actual fascist did and Was in fact borne from socialism >_> SS ffs means Social solider >_>

    Fascist movements are implicitly utopian because they—like communist and heretical Christian movements—assume that with just the right arrangement of policies, all contradictions can be rectified. This is a political siren song; life can never be made perfect, because man is imperfect. (Goldberg 130)

  • Reply Emilie B November 4, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    As a socialist that settles with liberalism for now, I do agree with you saying that liberalism is ineffective, watered-down socialism lol. But I think it's actually not a bad compromise in a country where socialist ideas such as "free" healthcare/education and environmentalism will likely greatly upset the right wing. Liberals tend to dabble in those concepts but not to such an extreme that they won't be considered by centrists and the right-wing. (I may be Canadian but I can say that healthcare isn't that perfect here: we have a huge lack of general practitioners and it's still very hard to get proper care for mental illnesses. And don't get me started on care homes…)

  • Reply A Nerd And Over Thirty November 4, 2019 at 11:13 pm

    Idiots like you have made me a republican, and videos like this will keep me a republican.

    Great job!

  • Reply That Hippie Gamer November 5, 2019 at 1:19 am

    Yeah but like…. how do we start BELIEVING that equality is possible? I’m a leftist myself, and even I can’t help but feel like the hierarchy is natural, and knowing that makes me feel sick.

  • Reply Jeff StarEagle November 5, 2019 at 4:21 am

    This is the best work on the insights into the conservative and progressive split that I have yet seen!

  • Reply Gonzalo Vazquez Avila November 6, 2019 at 4:03 am

    The thing is, when conserevatives say "power must be earned", what they mean is also a fantasy. Just like the government can be corrupt and false, so can the market since a lot of people will cheat to get to were they want to be (and I'm not just talking about zuckerberg'ing), and cheating to get in a position of economic power, together with abusing your wealth to nullify the competition is exactly how TYRANNY is born. Tyranny shouldn't just be a governamental term, I think it can also be applied to the economy, since those who control the money can control the government as well…

  • Reply Malchik Blue November 6, 2019 at 6:18 pm

    If everyone is educated than education has no value. If everyone has a degree, then the degree has no value. If everyone has a college education, then its just like having a high school education and you'll need more education to try and one-up your peers with college education. This is why higher education was never free, you instantly remove the advantage of being more trained or educated if everyone else has that same training or education.

  • Reply Chris Smoot November 6, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    8:55 Capitalism = Sword Logic

    Moon's Haunted

  • Reply Scalp All Transphobes November 7, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    If somebody robs a bank that isn't my bank, i'm still opposed to robbery.

    Funnily enough, that makes as little sense to me as saying taxation of billionaires is wrong. I'd say a bank-robber earned their share.

  • Reply Scalp All Transphobes November 7, 2019 at 6:09 pm

    Mickey mouse with his shirt off? Mickey mouse doesn't wear a shirt

  • Reply Daniel Lassander November 7, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    So i am at around 7:35ish here, and i think i have to interject to explain some things.

    How does company A get a higher profit then company B? Since they operate with the same customers they have to offer these customers something of higher value then their competitor, either better quality, service or price. Notice that the main difference is the company that best serves the customers interests will win and make more profits. So we end up with profits = what we want. If you get rid of one you get rid of the other. Because they make a profit from offering a better product.

    If we take walmart as an example here, walmart arent shipping the products they sell, around between different stores that they hire another company for. Why, because they can do it cheaper then they themselves can, which means when the product is finally in their stores, it cost less so they can sell it cheaper so they can attract more customers and make a higher profit. Profit is the same thing as cheaper products and better products. To drive this home lets contrast this with internet service, in USA today we have municiapal monopolies on the market for the different providers, one of them is comcast, which offers a pricy product which is pretty much shit compared to free market providers, because they have to compete with one another. If you want to get rid of the profits, you also get rid of the competative market and we end up with a bad product at a higher price.

    As an example to this, i live in Sweden, during the 80s our electricity was provided to us through the state electrical monopoly, what we got was blackout after blackout at a steep price, today in Sweden that is under a free market, no more blackouts and cheaper prices at the same time. Everything improved by getting rid of monopolies and making the providers compete with one another for the customers.

    Furthermore im not a conservative, i am a realist if you had asked me 10 years ago i would had been leaning left and today i am leaning right politically speaking. But today a lot of my values falls more in line with conservative lines, mainly because im older and wiser. I dont like the democratic party in the US today, they are almost all socialists and we know the horrible track record for socialism and i could not live with the shame of having that happen to a great nation, but more then that, i could not live with myself if the good people of USA had to experience socialism themselves. I would love a democratic nominee that could beat trump, i think he has done a lot of bad things but compared to what the democratic side has to offer today he is certainly in every regard a lesser evil.

  • Reply wantin November 8, 2019 at 2:21 am

    Are conservatives in Germany fitting the term conservative in this video?

  • Reply Kyocus November 8, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    It is not that "People would end up in the wrong places" it is that unearned resources would have to be stolen from someone else, and usually are neglected and wasted.

  • Reply nihilismful November 8, 2019 at 9:36 pm

    12:00–12:30 Tv Tropes—Good Cannot Comprehend Evil

  • Reply jb89 November 8, 2019 at 10:44 pm

    Steve Shives. Gross.

  • Reply Trisha Schuman November 9, 2019 at 2:27 am

    Y'know from the title, I thought this was going to be the 'other people have it worse!' arguments

    Found it! I knew Kevin Nogilny had to be a reference! You chose the only one that sounded like a real name, eh?

    6:30 eyo! Is that a "1776" reference?

    Heh, kind of funny I watched this today. Earlier I got into a twitter argument (yes, yes, I know) and got my opponent to agree to "So if a group comes together, appoints members of the group to help them organize their assets, it's perfectly ethical for them to charge a subscription fee for the use of their assets – roads, laws, workers, education, etc. – and anyone who doesn't like it can leave?" but got a non-answer to "So if a group of citizens come together, vote in representatives, it is perfectly ethical for these representatives to levy taxes for the upkeep of public goods and services – roads, laws, workers, education, etc. – and anyone who doesn't like it can leave?"

  • Reply mc lil Zen the poet November 9, 2019 at 6:32 pm

    0:44 I agree it needs a reform and also that student loans should be LESSENED.

    10:24: if it's more expensive to hire someone then just don't or fire them that's what minimum wage does,also the wealthy are already taxed enough even though they make a lot of money they also pay more in taxes so it evens out in the end the trick is clever accounting

    13:13 you're flipping burgers anyone else can flip burgers if you're asking for $15 for flipping burgers they can fire you and find someone who would do it for less the thing is importance if you're a 16 year old or older flipping burgers your not going to to have the same value as besos you're easily replaced if you're replaced it's not going to cause that much damage

    15:17 just just I can't even I'm out

    16:13 Jeff bezos defenitly got rich he's white you've gone from talking about economics and democracy and how they can ''conflict'' to WHITE MAN.

    17:50 so what you're saying is conservatism is just fasicm but for money but you used the white man argument

  • Reply John Knight November 9, 2019 at 11:46 pm

    I don't know what is meant by "alt-right" . . does it just mean; not an ginormous who thinks socialism actually works? . . I mean on this planet? ; )

  • Reply Chris Ge Lin November 10, 2019 at 2:30 am

    I believe in democracy. I just don’t think we should share MY democracy with people who aren’t born in my country, don’t share my culture or speak my language. Why should we give people a say whom aren’t part of my society, and shouldn’t be here at all?

    I don’t know if I’m a capitalist but I’ll support whatever ideology that keeps my people on top of the social hierarchy and keeps people unlike me out of it.

    And liberals bother me because you are supposed to be my people. But your loyalties don’t lie with me but with outsiders. You are betrayers to your country, culture, and people.

  • Reply mc1472 November 10, 2019 at 2:36 am

    The Alt-right Playbook? This should be called The Lairs Playbook because of all the straw-men.

  • Reply Steve Martin November 10, 2019 at 2:48 am

    Weird how you have no idea how conservatives think, so you argue both sides with your own bias and still lose the argument…

  • Reply Manny November 10, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    The root problem to me is empowerment through identity. I'm persian, if the president was persian, and most billionaires were persian, I wouldn't give AF. If they were assholes, I'd call them assholes. I wouldn't feel empowered by it cause I don't judge myself by my race and gender. But it seems that (left and right), desire the feeling of power through identity. If most billionaires were women, I bet a lot of conservatives wouldn't like them anymore. I think a lot of this is insecurity and feeling confident through seeing people of their race and gender in power

  • Reply Luke Glanford November 10, 2019 at 7:24 pm

    They should call this "The strawman playbook"

  • Reply Owen Fink November 10, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    "Capitalism is a self-justifying hierarchy": Prove me wrong.

  • Reply Maple_ Int November 10, 2019 at 10:18 pm

    If(conservatives are similar to fascists) democrats = commies;

  • Reply Huesos 138 November 10, 2019 at 11:14 pm

    This is obvious strawmanning and bad psychologizing. It's not any more nuanced than the typical sloganeering diagnosis.

  • Reply Pieshka November 11, 2019 at 8:22 am

    Do you not even have conservative relatives? This is so off the mark it's sad and clearly shows you're a marxist only able to see things as the people aka government vs capitalism portraying conservatives thinking in capitalistic terms, while in reality conservatives see things as individuals above the government (aka don't tread on me) and this is somehow equivalent to fascism. This was a marxist lecture with the facade of arguing against conservative strawmen. Even your "logical" progression about democracy means equality is wrong, the supreme court 5-4 vote on California's democratic decision to ban gay marriage that you showed goes against this in 2 ways. One that the people voted against equality, and two that a group of 9 over ruled a democratic will of millions in favor of equality because we live in a republic. And democracies aren't equal, it's majority rules the minority suffers while a republic takes effort to balance this out.

    Oh, and if fascism is more in line with conservative thinking and capitalism then please explain why fascism was founded by a socialist Italian that ran a socialist newspaper.

  • Reply anamaxy101 November 11, 2019 at 9:00 am

    Ok, I've held my tongue at just about every fallacy that's been put forth so far but I couldn't contain my laughter at 15:15! "white men want to believe that billionaires earned their station, and not that their race and gender gave them preferential treatment" and you show Zuckerberg and Gates

    are you REALLY SAYING that people decided to use Facebook or buy a computer because the guy who makes them is white!? hahaha hooooly – these guys are billionaires because their creations changed the entire world as we know it, they have money because you gave it to them because you bought the products they created, not because they are white men omfg

  • Reply sean miller November 11, 2019 at 11:04 am

    Imagine thinking that when someone is rich it's just cause they got lucky and it's not because they know how to provide goods into society. If you like having amenities, you like rich people sorry its true

  • Reply Shapiro 2024 November 11, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    This whole series is ridiculous liberals & leftists are mainly entitled dreamers who do bitch until someone hands them what they want for free. Conservatives want limited govt., low taxes & individual liberties like private gun ownership & believe you need to earn your station on life. The biggest problem is that lefties used to be more moderate & focus on 1 or 2 things that they feel really need to be changed, now they want EVERYTHING to change all at once. Free college, minimum wage up at least 2 fold, end fossil fuel consumption, free healthcare, etc. & they are blind & stupid enough to actually believe that the top 1% can fit the whole bill with monumental tax increases while the middle & lower classes don’t get a tax hike. Like I said dreamers & a waste of energy all their pie in the sky proposals like those of Bernie & Warren. Focus, instead on all the good Trump has done & will continue to do in the next 5 years. If you don’t like fossil fuels, campaign for nuclear energy (the most efficient form of energy we have which produces 0 emissions), if you can’t afford to go to college there are grants available for people without a bachelors degree & they are easy to obtain. There are plenty of solutions out there for all these problems which don’t involve running to big daddy govt. & expanding his reach.

  • Reply Amine November 12, 2019 at 5:03 pm

    The conversation around the 2:00 mark is precisely every conversation ive had with a conservative/libertarian on twitter and facebook. It's incredibly frustrating.

  • Reply Mailen Catriao November 13, 2019 at 3:07 am

    I've watched this video several times. Now it makes so much sense. Here in Chile we're having the greatest protests since Pinochet's dictatorship. We're also having a shit ton of armed repression. And everything the fascists say is that we don't really want to change the system and we just want to take the power. It's not even concealed. They think we're all that way.

  • Reply Clapper Jack November 13, 2019 at 9:46 am

    This video is such an exquisite example of what a communist brainlet thinks. Love it. In my ex-communist country, people like you would not last a week.

  • Reply Harry Styles November 13, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    Honestly choosing your political ideas on the basis of what you hate most is a rather weak argument. The guy that stands 10 feet away from facists and the guy that stands 50 feet away are both no fascists. Your approach seems overly idealistic and narrow-minded.

  • Reply Ben Roudebush November 13, 2019 at 11:07 pm

    I mean, we're not a democracy, but any high school government teacher will tell you that.

  • Reply althesilly November 14, 2019 at 4:32 am

    After watching this all I can think is, "oh my god you think conservatives are monster"
    I don't think liberals are monsters.

  • Reply Me &MarkRutzo November 14, 2019 at 3:24 pm

    This video sucks. Absolute and complete misunderstanding on the Republican point of view. "Republicans want the rich because republicans think we NEED the rich." Absolutely false. Republicans want the rich because they believe ANYONE can be rich given the right work ethic. Pot meet kettle.

    White people are paid third based on ethnic group. This guy is dumb.

  • Reply Beau November 14, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    You will never convince me that because I am successful I somehow owe you something because you are not successful.

  • Reply Bob Newby Superhero November 15, 2019 at 2:13 am

    “Anyone can make it” is easy to disprove. See replies.

  • Reply TheScoutPlay November 15, 2019 at 4:58 pm

    In the USA, there are two kinds of imperialists: the one who wears a red tie, and the one who wears a blue one.

  • Reply PillznarRy November 15, 2019 at 6:59 pm

    the sheer astounding levels of unawareness out of the maker of this video is nauseating.

  • Reply Nick Mcdonnell November 17, 2019 at 11:25 am

    I'm a libertarian and this is not how I think at all and most libertarians are more free market than most conservatives

  • Reply GizzoTV November 17, 2019 at 1:18 pm

    This dude speaks like he's never seen vagina.

  • Reply ilanouh November 18, 2019 at 6:50 am

    Why have debates with conservatives when you can have a debate with yourself to show how right you are and how dumb conservatives are, right ?

  • Reply Olive Seraphim November 18, 2019 at 2:10 pm

    Why do U keep calling the right wing "conservative"? This framing plays into the hands of the right wing by saying they're just seeking to preserve the status quo when actually their actions – like overturning abortion and imprisoning migrant children – are radical

  • Reply dirk diggler November 18, 2019 at 7:53 pm

    This guy goes from "we all have a little bit of liberal and conservative in us, the differences are small" to "conservatives are basically as good as nazis". Oh well. What can you expect from someone who makes his bias pretty clear.

  • Reply BubbleGumBabeFace November 19, 2019 at 1:36 am

    Well most of this sounds like bullshit, indeed bullshit the left tend to incorporate in there argument strategies. However, I'm still glad there are anti-''alt-right'' channels slowly popping up on YouTube to challenge the other side and bring a different opinion.

    This balances things out, and as a centrist this is all we ask for.

  • Reply Kaz K November 20, 2019 at 2:54 am

    This is more liberal crap.

  • Reply Ivan Vancheskov November 20, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    Have you ever actually spoken to a conservative before? Like, actually spoken to anyone you disagree with in any fashion? Over twenty minutes of rapid fire strawmen and caricatures of other people. Amazing. Not even good strawmen either, it's like you think Mr. Burns from the Simpsons is a real person and that he represents all conservatives. Please. If you're going to try to represent someones views, at least know what they are maybe?

  • Reply Whiz57 November 20, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    You don't need a degree to get a decent job. You also don't need to go to exorbitantly expensive schools to get said degree.
    And to try and compare Fascism and Conservatism when they're on the opposite of the political spectrum is just entirely disingenuous.

  • Reply Brandon Moore November 21, 2019 at 1:09 am

    Individual choices and group choices lead to a natural hierarchy regardless of status. Russia's USSR (A very left government) a great example of this is Архипела́г ГУЛА́Г OR in English Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, gulag archipelagos. Liberal Russia concentration camps. Maoist China is the second great example. Benito Mussolini and Nazi's fascist right-wing. Both sides are authoritarian neither side is right. Approximate to~~Dante's Alighieri – Divine Comedy~~ the pot calling the kettle black. You've done the same thing.

  • Reply sinistar99 November 21, 2019 at 7:37 pm

    "You think you can make everyone the same…"
    Only the Sith thinks in absolutes. Why can't reactionaries fathom a sweet spot somewhere between "all the same" and "not a billion times different." Something between "everyone gets the same amount" and "6 people have almost everything."

  • Reply Quiet Spark November 21, 2019 at 9:08 pm

    So really all the conservative view of liberalism boils down to is projection. Conservatives think the left wants to take power and install their own hierarchy because that is the only reference point they have to draw from, i.e. their own desire to prop up a hierarchy where they can keep imagining they too will become wealthy just like the "successful" billionaires they appear to worship. Any form of actual democracy is then seen by conservatives as an "evil" simply because it threatens this propped up hierarchy in which they can have masturbatory fantasies about becoming a shark. This is all incredibly ironic considering how many conservatives claim to be christian despite their own mentality being antithetical to what Christ taught.

  • Reply Trevor K. McNeil November 22, 2019 at 1:25 am

    One day we will all be dead and none of this will matter.

  • Reply Ethan Rummel November 22, 2019 at 6:32 pm

    This is the main point of argument I have with people of about politics. Surface level policy reflects underlying core beliefs. If some one has wholly different political views than you, its because they have a wholly different world view. Debate is often just an impasse.

  • Reply Daniel Horn November 22, 2019 at 10:43 pm

    Took me a second. Excellent cameo, Rev. Whirly!

  • Reply Schoening91 November 23, 2019 at 8:11 am

    My takeaway from this video is to try to be better at figuring out where the common ground is rather than assuming it.

  • Reply Dalton King November 23, 2019 at 1:49 pm

    You compared economy to diplomacy and expect those to function the same?

  • Reply Stoic Trainee November 23, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    People aren't equal. Statistics directly show this. This is why we have physical and mental tests to join and operate in a lot of different areas… right? Giving people money to go to college that didn't pave their own road is fruitless as they most likely will go back to not making it. (What they were doing in the first place)
    Edit: I work at at sandwich shop for min wage and only have like $1000 in the bank and I will pave my own road without help

  • Reply 1 2 November 24, 2019 at 2:11 am

    "So after a moment of hesitation you go ahead and shoot him."

  • Reply Nerd Celebi November 24, 2019 at 5:04 am

    Shoutout to the kingdom hearts reference, lovin it

  • Reply Sarah D. November 24, 2019 at 9:57 am

    I think this might explain why my parents lean right while I lean left. They think those who have more earned it, and taxing them is taking away what they earned and deserve only to help those unwilling to work hard enough to earn it.

  • Reply orlando javier piris November 25, 2019 at 10:22 pm

    No matter how polite or kind you are towards a nazi, he will murder you anyway. The bolscheviks solved the nazi problem by shooting them, and it worked for decades. It was the arrival of "liberal" democracy what ruined everything.

  • Reply Sportel November 26, 2019 at 5:04 am

    Love the subtle dfw shout out

  • Reply Kodie Russell November 26, 2019 at 1:36 pm

    i loved the kingdom hearts analogy

  • Reply af dadE November 26, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    This is actually embarrassingly stupid. I tried counting how many accurate representations of his opponent he made in nearly 22 minutes.

    Still at 0.

  • Reply af dadE November 26, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    This guy might actually be the stupidest person on YouTube….. hang on I'll check

    Nah the young Turks still exists. Fine you get number 2. What a hilariously stupid video.

  • Reply The Floridiot November 26, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    So ,if the alt-right playbook is just the cultural Marxism playbook , that must mean that the alt- right is just leftist infiltration of the right.

  • Reply Cassio Ritzel November 26, 2019 at 9:32 pm

    Democracy is the dictatorship of the majority. We should find logical truths and not base our world on whatever 51% of people want. Murder is still murder even if 99% of people agrees its not. Bilionares suck. They use the government to impose policies that gives them advantadges. They migth fund a free market politician in one country and a socialist on another. Democracy and politics is the unfair way of getting money, power and whatever other thing you want. You cant agree that theft is wrong if you defend taxes. You cant opose dictatorships if you defend I should be taken to jail if I dont let you take my money to fund your education. People who defend capitalism because they would benefit more from it migth defend communism the same way. And yes, there will always be people with more money then others. That doesnt mean they can be robbed.

  • Reply jay%20v November 26, 2019 at 11:14 pm

    Hearing Steve argue like a conservative hurts 😭😂

  • Reply Woodchipper November 27, 2019 at 5:44 am

    "white man = bad"  Marx was an idiot! and so are you!

  • Reply Martin Sheppard November 27, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    Wow. this blew my mind. i never thought anybody could be that wrong and wrong in so many different ways and repeat their wrongness so many times in a 21 minute clip and then actually feel like they are in the right.

  • Reply Th3 B1rdbra1n November 27, 2019 at 1:37 pm

    “No socialist would call that Socialism.”

    Truer words are rare, out here. They will never understand.

  • Reply Oscar Grove November 27, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    The united states is not a democracy. Its a representative republic. If anyone gets angry at this, just refer to the constitution. The whole democracy thing is us being ancient greek fanboys. They are NOT the same type of goverment nor was our goverment in anyway inspired by theirs.

  • Reply SirBagolicious November 27, 2019 at 5:22 pm

    You failed to mention the authoritarian left. People on the right may drift to fascism but people on the left may drift to communism. They are 2 sides of the same coin. This videos topic is too simple its a very confined scale going in a straight line when in reality its not just an x axis but x and y. You didn't delve into authoritarianism vs libertarianism you literally just boiled the argument down to 'The conservatives are similar to fascists, and we on the left just want freedom'. Reality has more nuance than the ingroups and outgroups.

  • Reply Steven Cleere November 28, 2019 at 7:07 am

    in case there's a fire, the exits are on the far left.

  • Reply Metroid Boy November 29, 2019 at 6:38 am

    “We are not all gonna be billionaires”
    laughs in Zimbabwe

  • Reply Schwarzer Ritter November 29, 2019 at 11:11 am

    This video has a graphics glitch. The "friend" looks like he is made of paper, instead he should look like he was made of straw.

  • Reply Josué Ortega November 29, 2019 at 2:22 pm

    Most conservatives can't even fathom a world without hierarchies, not even a world with less and more flexible hierarchies. And, just like progressives incorrectly assume that conservatives deep down believe in equality (some of them do, but not the majority), conservatives incorrectly assume that progressives deep down just want to sneak their way up in the hierarchy (again; some of them do, but not the majority). Here in Latin America the word "populist" has been adopted by conservatives as a slur to label even moderately leftist politicians; conservatives think that social programs, progressive taxes and so forth are just a sneaky way that those "populists" use to subvert the hierarchy and get themselves to the top. They genuinely can't even fathom the possibility of a leftist politician who honestly wants to end the hierarchy instead of climbing on it.

  • Reply Trotamix December 1, 2019 at 3:39 am

    This video is genius

  • Reply Devon December 2, 2019 at 1:12 pm

    But liberalism IS ineffective watered down socialism.

  • Reply GigasGMX December 2, 2019 at 9:31 pm

    So, basically, what you're saying is that conservatism is a symptom of the modern world's obsession with "authenticity".

  • Reply My Gills December 2, 2019 at 11:50 pm

    First part kills liberals
    Second kills conservatives

  • Reply Brian Seiler December 3, 2019 at 3:27 am

    There are some things that probably ought to be corrected here:

    – There isn't a finite amount of money in the economy. That's why fiat currency and sound monetary policy are better than the gold standard and raw mercantilism. That inflation number you hear about every year is the amount of money added to the economy (and you always want it to be positive and roughly in line with your GDP, which represents the amount of actual "value" added to the economy). Treating economics as a zero-sum game is one of the primary ways progressive political and economic positions tend to fail hard and you end up in the sorts of situations that give socialism a bad name.

    – The notion that you need a college degree to get a job and therefore a college degree should effectively be guaranteed to anybody that wants one and is nominally competent enough at school to earn one misses one of the primary problems why you "need" (and I put that in quotes because it's a need that's largely exaggerated by the fact that most of the people who think that you need such a thing are in fields where that was the case when they got there and are largely unaware of what other fields might be open) one of those in the first place. It used to be that you could get a job with just a high school diploma because the pool of people with high school diplomas was substantially smaller than the pool of…well…all the people. The success of public education, however, has made "graduated from high school" much less of a distinguishing feature. I'll give you a dirty little truth about hiring. When you're seeking to fill a position, you're generally going to have more applicants than you have spaces. You need a way to pare down that field to something even remotely comprehensible to whatever small team of resources you have at hand to actually evaluate the candidates, and that's one of the big places where the college diploma comes into play. After your first three or four years in an industry, no sane person gives a tin shit what you made in college, or even really if you went there. It's just a filter. Sending everybody to college removes that filter and inevitably replaces it with another. Hell – we're seeing it already. Some of those jobs you used to "need a college degree" for have become jobs that you "need a graduate degree" for. It's an arms race, and it's one that you're going to lose because you're fundamentally misunderstanding the value of the thing that you're trying to make available. There are reasons why a liberal arts education are good to have, but access to the job market is among the most terrible.

    – You seem to be failing to understand the ultimate utility of unregulated capitalism and why it might be a good thing. Totally unregulated (aside from restricting the use of actual force, theft, corporate sabotage, and all that other stuff), capitalism will produce the greatest quality in terms of value-per-currency. Totally regulated (effectively communism), capitalism produces only what the arbitrary controlling authority is lucky enough to guess at. Neither of those are particularly great options in terms of practical exploitability and the human costs involved, so we strike a balance, but generally speaking, the less regulated the system becomes, the more value at the lowest cost it will yield. Failure to recognize this is another critical failure of progressive policies. Let's take automation. Progressives generally don't like automation because it displaces jobs. However, automation also displaces costs. It costs a lot less for Johnny-5 to throw my socks in an Amazon box than it does for Johnny Jenkins to do so, and ultimately some of that savings filters down to me. Certainly not all of it – the skim at the top is generally pretty large – but some of it. Standing in the way of automation involves thwarting that efficiency, along with the ensuing value. Or consider trade policy. Modern progressive trade policy is generally pretty protectionist, because America simply isn't a competitive market for unskilled labor when compared to nations in the developing world, and economic populists look at that fact and figure that we just need to kind of force people toward domestic suppliers. The thing is, though, that the people who pay the cost for that aren't the people you need to be taking the money from. It's me. Johnny Jenkins – who now works at the socks plant – may be making another fifty cents an hour, but the cost of his consumables has also increased to the point that you've achieved very little at best or caused actual harm at worst by elevating the cost on his inflexible demands more than you've raised his actual income. That's what happens when you try to contain the market. You might be able to steer the hurricane a little bit to the right, but it's still going to make landfall, and keeping it out to sea that much longer will probably end up making it stronger when it finally does come ashore.

    Please do not misunderstand me here – I'm not saying we should go back to the turn of the twentieth century. I want to remove all regulatory attempts to control economic quality of life, but I want to couple that with a Universal Basic Income. We'll never be able to "solve" poverty so long as scarcity is a thing, but that's probably the best way to ameliorate it while avoiding constriction of the economic engine itself. We'll still have to implement regulations for environmental, anti-competitive, safety, and god only knows how many other reasons, but minimum wages and tariffs are patently stupid from an economic angle. If I say this to a progressive audience, however, what they hear isn't "huzzah UBI," but "let the corporations run the world!" and that's part of the problem. Progressivism has chosen to adopt into its very identity certain attitudes that run contrary to the nature of reality – perhaps not as many as conservatism, but an unhealthy amount nonetheless. That's why we need to reject ideology entirely. Conservatism is wrong as a whole, but it's right in some specific areas. Progressivism is wrong as a whole, but it's right in some specific areas. The solution is to jettison the -ism and instead focus on the problem, the proposed solution, and the likelihood of solvency. In other words, values-neutral policy. People at large obviously aren't willing to condemn human beings to death outright if their bank account runs down like some kind of energy bar in a video game, as proven by the fact that you have to try really, REALLY hard to find a place where it's not outright illegal to deny care in some way, shape, or form to somebody who is critically and acutely ill. The only solution to that desire is universally available public health care. Ideology plays no part – it's the clearly discernible attitude of the public. Making that happen, though? That's the big challenge.

  • Reply Leon Kennedy December 3, 2019 at 7:42 am

    When I saw this title, I thought it would be about the conservative tendency to bring up problems that we supposedly must first solve before tackling smaller issues (related or not) – because there's "always a bigger fish (to fry)".

    If you say we should give aid to other countries in desperate humanitarian need, they'll say we should "take care of our own" first. If you point out egregious animal abuse in slaughterhouses, they'll say we need to worry about starving children first. Feminists should stop focusing on sexual harassment in the U.S. because there are still women in other countries dealing with female genital mutilation. A thousand such examples can be found.

    They don't attack the position directly, by saying that humanitarian aid or animal abuse or sexual harassment are not real concerns. Rather, they take issue with your priorities. They act as if we must completely, 100% solve one problem before we begin any progress on another, supposedly or actually less serious problem.

    The effect is to deny a position practically without denying it officially, all the while taking control of the conversation. You're no longer talking about whether sexual jokes in the workplace are inappropriate – you're talking about female genital mutilation, with the implication that you're being petty, even "showing your privilege," for caring about something less consequential like an off-color joke.

    Of course, their solutions to the big fish issues are always vague, like "we need to bring back personal responsibility" or ideologically extreme and effectively impossible, like "we need to eliminate Islam." So they've moved the goalpost past the horizon. You're not allowed to even talk about "small fish" issues until we've fried the bigger fish, and it's impossible to fry the bigger fish.

    It's related to whataboutism, but it's not an ad hominem attack necessarily. I think the "bigger fish" fallacy/rhetorical strategy could be useful for you to discuss, even if it goes by a different name – and whataboutism too, while you're at it.

  • Reply Martín Estévez December 3, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    17:55 um… what? what does that even mean?

  • Reply AnorexicPandas December 3, 2019 at 5:15 pm

    I have the correct opinion, therefore if you disagree with me, you are alt-right

  • Reply westhamsandwich December 3, 2019 at 11:09 pm

    dont think i didnt see that willie dustice reference. where's bobson dugnut?

  • Reply Jordan Russell December 4, 2019 at 5:40 am

    Why should the government pay to educate? They already do it called Public School

  • Reply Annie Lapointe December 4, 2019 at 9:53 am

    1:57 ok boomer

  • Reply Christian Ledford December 4, 2019 at 10:01 pm

    Conservatives aren’t even capitalists themselves. Tariffs, subsidies, and all their favorite illiberal economic policies aren’t capitalists.

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